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A question for you with a comment first, that I can appreciate all the homework Power Couple is doing to die together the loose ends. This is my question: When I say that I am hearing EMF, I can hear the high frequency sounds that bother many people, but the ones that rattle my bones are the low frequency sounds. They vibrate me internally. I do not want to say that they drive me crazy because I am doing everything I can to keep from going there. So...Power Couple, I would not believe that hearing the low frequency cannot be the same cause as hearing the high frequency, but it wasn't addressed, and I rarely see it addressed. It's not the low-hum sound of a truck, it's the irritating, undulating sound of the actual frequency in action. I can hear when it plainly. I can also hear the "dirty electricity" sound in a less pulsing way, I would call it more erratic and driving. Is it possible to address these sounds and their causes and relationship to your subject?

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The Amish say that ELECTRICITY IS The Devil. I've been in conversation lately about bones. I think that they are tuning forks for the body that pick up frequencies causing that vibrating feeling.... or maybe even the low hum. I have many broken bones & I notice fusion points that vibrate harder.

Think about what makes up the bones...all the conductive minerals.

It was brought to my attn that bones are piezoelectric & can cause electrical shock inside the body causing reactions with nerves (pain). I think that's what "restless leg syndrome" REALLY is. The more they EMF & RF us... the more new "syndromes" they have to come up with.

Medicare is pushing FREE dental implants for seniors. RF frequencies HEAT up the metal spikes in the gums!! It's all insanity!

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Hi Jeanette! Thank you for chiming in. Yes I have heard that about the Amish, and am appreciating them more each day. Have you heard of Becker's work The Body Electric? Talks about the apatite crystal and copper in our bones. Didn't make the connection with restless leg - good call!

Yes everytime I see new hearing aids for seniors - they're also all bluetooth. Sickening, but I think there's more of us who are realizing than we...realize.

When did you start to learn about EMF and know it was a problem?

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Thanx Roman, I'll have to look into Beckers work.

I worry about the hearing aids myself . Bluetooth? I didn't know. I was thinking of

the problem having these receivers so close to the brain.

Same with the ear buds... receiver transmitters with magnets frying the brain!

I realized EMF was problem when I bought this house & immediately got insomnia & what people would call ghost like creepy stuff happening. The house is old. There were several 3 way switches that had hot neutral wires.

A friend of mine was an electrical engineer. His buddy rewired the house & turned me onto EMF & ALL ghost like activity went away when I got rid of dirty electricity. ... Back to the AMISH! Insomnia is intermittent. He said it may be the electrical lines that are on my lot line.

I knew 2 folks that were engineers for GE medicull & they turned me onto RF.

They worked with MRI's magnets & electrical fields(EKG) back in the late 90's.

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Good for you Jeannette for having that intuition, and not just chalking it up to ghosts. It happens more than you think (people not knowing about EMF or thinking it's just ghosts) Check out the Stetzer filters too if you haven't already. Are you in US, Canada or Europe? Sorry if I asked you already.

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Thanx Roman, When I first moved in... the neighbors insisted the house is haunted. I little girl was hung on my property & it used to be one of Al Capone's apple orchards. ... I gave permission for a medium to come thru & he said there was a portal in my basement by the electrical box. It's all nonsense imo. edit: I had the box upgraded.

IF anything, electricity is a conduit for A.I. entities to travel thru. I have no proof... just a thought that I have.

I never heard of Stetzer filters..I'll have a peek, Thanx :) I'm in US.

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I hear you Jeannette. Our mind is a powerful thing, that's not to say that these things can't be real.

Here's an interview we did with Dave Stetzer: https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/stetzer

If you call them directly, they may be able to give you a good deal.

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Incidentally, Jeanette, my background is Amish, I probably have never liked electricity that much, but I'm very much in tune with my body being electric. I didn't ask for this, but my body feels the electricity, as you say (it's true) all the way to my bones. I wish to God there was an answer.

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So, You know Charlene, 1st hand what I speak of. Somehow the pyramids factor into this & the obelisks (The original 5g towers). We are in an electric soup.I know all too well, I have lots of metal in my body... so I'm a prime conductor...LITERALLY head to foot.. We didnt ASK for this, but think how much extra strength it takes us to survive in this type of environment.

We'll get our answers & hopefully our vengeance for what they have done to the biosphere. Keep on fighting the good fight!

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Jeanette, I should wait a few minutes to respond, but I like your spirit and I also like to take advantage of the time offered me. Want to say that it's likely that the skills from "then" to "now" are of the same caliber, from the same set of brains--and I'm being abstract purposefully.

I am all up for vengeance, a sort of feeling that I woke up with this morning when it felt like my back was up against the wall too many times.

Thank you.

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All great theories JM. It's all we have to go on these days. So much is hidden from us and we're lied to on a regular basis that it's so hard to get answers

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Thanx Tox! Perhaps LIFE is a theory AND a lie? ... is live/evil? , are we in a multi outcome SIM generator? .. are we simply spirits walking this realm in meatsuits as data collectors? More than one theory is applicable it seems.

Without the lie, the tenacious digging for truth & wonder would cease to exist.

It all makes me wonder why a third of the angles bailed from heaven to come live the lie that is evil. Was heaven so perfect that they got bored?

My mind is chaotic today .. just spit balling.

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I've also been experiencing that low hum. People say it's like machinery underground and I say no, not like that, although I do hear that too occasionally. This is different. Thanks for bringing it up Charlene!

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Hi Charlene - the range for human hearing is 20 hertz to 20kHz. I need to correct this in the article, sorry about that. Was caught by my colleague Paul Harding.

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Hi Roman, the frequencies that are unbearable for me oscillate probably between 45 and 55 hz, if that helps.

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Thanks for that Charlene...thank you kindly as well for your paid support!

Sorry if you stated this before, but how do you know the frequencies are b/w 45-55hz?

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I used to have the frequency range "nailed down" (when I listened simultaneously to the electrical noise and the sound frequency provided online). The reason I use the word "probably" is because I realize these frequencies have not been measured by an oscillator. It is merely my own judgment used as I listen and compare to the hz sounds on the net.

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Hi Charlene, good morning! Once again - a great comment and question. Unfortunately I am not sure - it's hard to know. I'd love to hear from others here what they think?

I'll reach out to some of my other colleagues as well to see what they say.

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The answer to your question is yes. Two years into low oxalate living and I am getting my life back. I had the same sensation with hearing that you described. Now I rarely get a ringing sound for a couple of seconds. Healing from oxalate overload is a long process of elimination. Please read Sally K Norton and go low and slow for the best results. I hope this helps.

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Good morning Stephanie. Thank you for your wise insights! It's amazing to hear this, and rhymes with so many other experiences. This is definitely a long process that needs to be undertaken with caution.

Bohdanna and I already jumped in too quickly, removing nuts altogether, and had rashes develop on the face by the eye. We'll be treading carefully! So happy to hear you're feeling better.

Did you originally find out about low-oxalate via Sally?

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Yes. She was on my radar when I initially got sick and was trying to figure out what was wrong. When I opened her book and read it, I found myself in her pages.

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Unfortunately, Roman, the dumping process is just part of it, and you will have rashes and areas that itch intensely no matter how slow you go. Oxalates affect every part of our body. I’ve had crystals come out of my eyelids, my arms, my legs feel like sandpaper. It happens in cycles. I’ve had gout like symptoms with bruising. It’s a wild ride, but every time I go through these cycles, I remind myself of all the toxins that I’m getting rid of. It’s amazing how many people have cured so many ailments that have troubled them for years. Sally is a blessing.

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Hi Stephanie, for clarification, are you responding to my question about the extremely low frequencies that I hear and the low oxalate living as being an answer?

I am unsure what you mean, because your reference is to hearing ringing, which I would assume would be a different scenario, of hearing high frequencies.

The low frequency sounds are not as a result of radio waves, but of electric frequencies coming through the walls (if you look at a picture of how frequencies appear on paper, it sounds just like that, a rise and fall, but with a "bass" sound that gets inside the body).

I opened up Sally K. Norton and began to read about the oxalates, but I don't seem to have any of the symptoms listed. I am in superb health outside of the trouble of the low frequencies of EMF, which come down fighting against being tortured.

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To clarify, I am talking about both low frequency and tinnitus. When I initially got sick, I would wake up in the middle of the night hearing this mechanical rumbling and trying to figure out what I was hearing, but no one else could hear it. I also developed chemical sensitivity and food sensitivities. I was on ketogenic diet for four years and previously a year of trying vegetarian. I also would take high vitamin C . Little did I know that if you are not aware of what foods are high in oxalate and what can convert to oxalate in your diet, you are well over the threshold of what is safe. When I read Sally‘s book I had majority of the symptoms, but I have met people with only one or two symptoms that have improved. Someone I knew had chronic sciatic pain and I suggested trying low oxalate and he did and the pain went away then one night he decided to have peanut butter on celery and the pain came back. His sciatic pain was so bad he was sleeping in a recliner. All I can tell you is it has changed my life. This is about reversing the stored oxalates that have slowly accumulated in your system. This is not detoxing.

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Stephanie, the book is on its way to me now so I can research.

A question for you, was the mechanical rumbling noise generally heard outside and inside your house--or did it manifest itself only in your house corresponding with high EF measurements? (for me, I have survived endless, brutal stream of EF energy that coincides with a high EF reading, of which are the highest at night--or at best the undulating waves of the frequencies when the EF reading is lower).

I tried to escape it out in nature, only to hear it in the hills but then discover high electric lines around the corner. I've learned to trust my hearing.

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Charlene, I wish I could tell you that I took readings but at the time I had no clue what was going on. It might’ve happened to me in the beginning, a total of five times overall. It always happened at night . I live in the country and at the time I thought it had something to do with EMF. We tried to turn off the electricity at home as an experiment. This was one of many symptoms that was happening to me. I was having nightmares and grinding my teeth. I started having anxiety and panic attacks. Something that always accompanies it I now know is hypervigilance. It’s part of the cycle, which I can identify means that I’m clearing oxalates. It’s now happened to me so many times. Some of the things that accompanies it are cloudy urine, bodyaches, and incontinence which I never had before. And after the cycle of clearing, everything goes back to normal. All I can tell you is that going low oxalate slowly is making everything disappear. The crazy part is that clearing is more intense around a full moon. I am quite astounded by how many people have realized that their specific ailments are all due to oxalate overload. Just to name a few, thyroid issues, arthritis, eczema, joint pain, autoimmune issues, pseudo gout, rosacea, vulvodynia, prostate problems, hormone imbalance, cancers, bladder incontinence. I’ve seen a number of people who were athletic, who supposedly needed hip and knee replacement just go low oxalate and they are now resuming their activities with no pain. I know you are desperate for an answer and to understand what’s going on because I was there also. I hope this gives you hope. All that is required is that you substitute low oxalate foods for the high. And whatever you do don’t go zero. Just start stepping it down. Look on YouTube for Sally K Norton stories you will be amazed.

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Your response is very kind and this platform hosted by the Power Couple is very kind. You do not try to negate my symptoms when it could seem that I am contradicting yours by asking more questions and clarifying mine.

I don't do well sitting at the computer even though it's hard-wired, so I have her book on the way.

I like to know about these things, even if it is just to help others. I believe compassion and understanding go a long way!

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With gratitude for your helpful reply, I will look into this more closely. Key take-away here is "stored oxalates" and "this is not detoxing". Ok then.

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Do you know the average reading of Graham-Stetzer (GS) units of your home?

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Thx for the lively conversation and sincerity. To get to the root of the problem, let me just say that the "noise" is "inside" the 1.5 to 2 volts (v/m) of electricity still coming into my home after the MAIN is powered off.

I can drive away from my house, and it's not in the car. It is coming from the neutral wires (I have to conjecture this due to 1-2 v/m and hearing the electric when the MAIN is OFF) that are feeding my property from a transformer shared by 2 other houses.

So the average reading of my house in EF v/m is 1-2 with the MAIN powered off. The reading when the MAIN is on is dependent on which room. I have the breakers to some room turned off and pulled indefinitely and they still measure 1-2 v/m. The worst room measures 50 v/m, but erratically goes between 20 to 50. And even that is according to the spurt of unclean power.

When the noise is loudest, the v/m are higher. The "noise" can't be subdued by earplugs or white noise. I've called Noble to find something that they could say what could cancel the ELF, and as of a year ago, there's nothing yet.

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Great article!

I think it was Mercola that pointed out many years ago that the consumption of saturated fat along with foods containing oxalates can help mitigate their harmful effects.

I cut back on oxalate rich foods about 15 years ago when I also eliminated lectin rich grains and beans from my diet. Nuts, especially almonds (the skin) are noted for being high in another anti-nutrient - phytates. Foods rich in oxalates are often rich in lectins. Even fish has significant levels of lectins. In fact, one study I read (long ago) noted that fish has more lectins than red meat.

Cooking and fermentation are the historically traditional ways to reduce all of these anti-nutrients.

Removing lectins, solanacea and reducing oxalates from my diet, making sure all of my food is well cooked (except for some fruit and raw liver from my goats) and incorporating more fermented foods were the best things I've ever done for my health.

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Hi Kyle! Thank you for stopping by to chime in.

Say what you will about him, Mercola really was calling a lot of things out way before many others - along with the EMF issue.

Good to know that about the fish - would soaking that help too?

I always soak all fish/ shellfish for at least 30 min - helps get the fishy smell out.

Thank you for all the insights of real experience you've left here.

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Soaking might leach out some of the beneficial omeg3 fatty acids, especially in cold water species like trout, salmon and sardines. Those essential fatty acids are found mostly in the skin, so be sure to eat the skin. Seems like I read somewhere that omega3 interacts with the sun to help structure the water in our bodies (Dr Tom Cowan?). Traditional cooking methods using lemon, garlic (and other alliums) and pasture butter might be more effective than soaking.

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What an awesome article!

I also found that eliminating the nightshades helped me with reducing aches n pains due to inflammation.

White potatoes, bell peppers, eggplant, tomatoes etc.

My tinnitus is off the charts and as a musician and rock concert attendee in my younger days it adds to the problem. Lots of LOUD! 🎵 🎶

Thank you to you both!

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I also had good results eliminating the glycoalkaloids in solanacea. No more joint pain, good flexibility. Can't remember if I mentioned that in our interview Roman. Most of the most common Solanacea are New World crops. Folks of European heritage might be having trouble with them because they are a new addition to ancient European microbiome.

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nightshades cripple me. to the point that i go from a normal ambulatory person to being unable to walk. its dose related. small amounts and just weird widespread joint stiffness/ mild pain. a lot and im bed bound for 12-24 hours. wild.

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Thank you for sharing that about the nightshades Toxi! It correlates with the heavy amounts of oxalates found in those foods. Have you been able to measure dirty electricity in the home? Convert to an analog smart meter? Some of these may help.

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I did read that if you consume oxylates that if you take magnesium citrate it binds to the oxylates during digestion and passes out in excrement. This is only citrate not other forms of magnesium

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I also developed tinnitus from early 2021 along with intense itching through the ears, I thought it might be linked to the 5g rollout, hadn’t considered the Starlink connection… it has not abated.

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Hi 21st, thank you for sharing that. I never thought of the Starlink connection either, until I connected with Arthur Firstenberg (invisible rainbow) - makes sense as the Earth has its own electrical envelope. Have you seen any changes with a different diet, or considering going low-oxalate? Do you use dirty electrical Stetzer filters through the home?

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Yup. I agree with all you've stated here and live a low to zero oxalate diet and live a low EMR life.

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Thanks so much Robin for chiming in! Lots of changes for you since you subscribed, eh? (:

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What changes are most important to you?

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A low man-made emf environment is the whey!!!!

After filling myself up with almonds for a period of a month I could feel some sore throat symptoms occur like clockwork every day between 8-9am and 3-4pm. When I stopped eating all those almonds and nuts these symptoms went away.

It's great Sally is onboard with yall. Great article as always.

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Thank you Jonathan - I knew you'd love our puns whey more than everyone else. That's crazy about the almonds! Isn't it amazing how our intuition works, when we put it to use, like any other muscle - use it or lose it. Sally's book and site is a wealth of info - highly recommended!

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Couldn’t agree more in the intuition. Solid I’ll check out her stuff. :)

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It’s been a difficult two years and if you wanna call it Epigenetics that’s fine. However, after I was poison, life hasn’t been the same January 2, 2022. I’ve just come to the conclusion that it could be an autoimmune disorder now exacerbated by poisoning that day and medication I briefly took for the spike and blood pressure, which sent me to the hospital several times. I don’t take anything now. I’ve been eating all organic food of course whole milk with some days are just awful regardless of an organic diet.

I have had Tinnitus for over 20 years last few years have been awful and when it’s really loud I have no energy I’ve came to conclusion years ago that it’s electrical at one point I thought it was a noise from nerves rebuilding from damage your drums

I am going to try the low oxalate diet

For over two years, I’ve been eating meat and vegetables mainly supplement it with yams, sweet potato, whole milk, yogurt, dates stuff like that eggs of course all organic

Thanks for all your information on this subject that you provide.

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Hi Raphael, thank you for your thoughtful comment. I'm sorry to hear about your struggle, and glad that we can offer some insight. Sally Norton actually did the same thing for years - ate tons of yams and sweet and white potatoes, which are very high in oxalate. Getting dirty electricity filtered can also help since these form of EMF can put a harmonic on the electrical line in the higher kilohertz range. Have you heard of Stetzer filters?

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No, I have not heard of that filter.

My wife and I want to get a EMF counter any suggestions would be great in those areas I have heard of dirty electricity before I work in the HVAC industry for a long time

However, my employment is different. I live and work in the same place with Starlink and fiber optic Wi-Fi the place is wired up with no grounding. I don’t know if that’s good or bad though as far as dirty electricity goes. And how to test it.

1960s

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Here's what I use to filter and measure dirty electricity:

https://amzn.to/402osEV

A standard home can use 20 filters.

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Starlink can definitely generate a ton of dirty electricity due to the switch mode power supply. The trifield is a decent starter meter: https://safelivingtechnologies.com/products/trifield-emf-meter.html?aff=265

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Is that that big black box that has a reset switch and several outlets in it is that the switch mode power supply

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I only use one at a time however this Starlink I’ve been using more and sometimes if I remember, I unplugged them

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I'm not totally sure - but most likely.

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Appreciate it thanks for the information you and your wife keep up the good work. It’s been really helpful.

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Just curious, do you get a kickback on any of your Amazon links? I would not like to overlook that.

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Yes I do, but honestly, even if you don't use those links, I would be just as happy if you got the Stetzer filters without the link. I bought them about 6 years ago, and can't recommend them enough.

You can also try calling the company directly if you're looking for bulk, and they may be able to match or beat amazon. I use amazon, b/c unfortunately I can't get them directly from Stetzer in Canada due to shipping.

You can also use the code POWER to buy on the Safe Living Technologies site for an additional 5% off.

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I’m all four circumventing that behemoth i’m looking at getting for two houses, so I’ll need to save all I can

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Thank you so much Raphael! We appreciate you letting us know! It's a learning curve for us all - believe me. One thing - have you tried turning the power off to the bedroom at night and/or wi-fi at least at night?

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Yes, I don’t know how many months ago you posted it but I turned it off since then about 90% of the time I remember thank you for that nugget

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I think that humans are massively screwed up from all kinds of manmade pollution and stupidity that have caused great harm to every living thing on this planet. As a child of the 50's, I think the current oxalate concern is just another dietary detour from common sense and good science (sorry). I think that the human digestive tract and genome are so damaged that normal metabolism has been derailed. Eliminating foods that humans evolved eating brings relief not because those foods are toxic but because we are sick and unable to digest healthy foods. I do not think that eating animals is the answer to EMR pollution. The answer to EMR pollution is to get rid of the pollution, not animals. Agree that a major cause of tinnitus is EMR. I think you missed an important part of your own history: What were you and your wife fed during infancy and early childhood (the biologically normal answer is human milk direct from the source, for years into childhood)? That has lifelong effects.

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Linda, thank you for your thoughtful comment. I used to feel exactly how you did - why can't we eat the food our ancestors once had? I felt that there had to be something missing in this new "fad." Until I made the connection with how we're eating many of those foods (blending raw kale by the fistful), microwaving, induction cookers - all which can compromise and disrupt the protein and hydrogen bonding networks of the food.

To your point about our digestive tract being destroyed, yes I couldn't agree more. Many of us no longer have the gut bacteria oxalobacter formigenes that would normally break down oxalates. I agree even more with getting rid of EMR by addressing it at the root, however I've found that colleagues have had their symptoms abate when going low-oxalate. Breastmilk is certainly a huge part of the story , and why I included the part on GAPS talking about the raw form and its enzymes. Colostrum and the other nutrients we receive from mom is certainly another huge factor.

All our diets depend on the solar energy of our environment I believe, and why we had the largest vegetarian population ever southern India.

Why are many of them diabetic now? Is it the processed foods, or is it b/c they're all blue-light toxic, working in call centers and bombarded by electrosmog? Two-thirds of our bodies' energy requirements come from light, and only 1/3 from food (Wunsch)

I would also say that eating animals all the time, especially ruminants is harder on the digestion, and why I opt to eat mostly fish.

Hope that helps offer more insights?

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"We know that humans can hear electromagnetic energy in the ultrasonic range from 20 kHz to about 225 kHz. What transmits at 20 kHz- 225 kHz? Radiofrequency," - This is incorrect, anyone can 'google' 'human hearing range' and will find out is actually between about 20Hz to 20kHz - not 225 kHz (not even elephants or dolphins hear that high up!) More9ver Radio-frequency radiation is EVERYTHING from 0.1 Hz to infrared, to visible light (non-ionizing) to UV, X, Gamma and beyond (ionizing). In addition no cellular phone or WiFi operates in the 20 kHz to 225 kHz (the antennas would be huuuuge and power consumption enormous)...I could go on but that paragraph alone was enough for me...🔴

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You are correct Red- the 20 kHz was a typo, and I've since fixed it. Dolphins do hear in the kHz range, to my understanding. Your are right that no cellular operates in the 20KHz range, however it is still radio frequency.

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Thanks, Roman for pointing out the link between oxalates and EMR. I have had to work that out for myself, but it was nice to have it confirmed. When smart meters were rolled out in my area I developed burning balls of my feet, which got worse each year. Eventually, I discovered it was oxalate toxicity causing it. The improvements over the past 2 years have not been huge, but I am going slow on detoxing. I had a bad reaction to consuming home-made beef bone broth because that, along with consuming vitamin C, can cause the body to generate oxalates. The other things sure to make my feet burn are travelling in a regional train, especially sitting on the side of the carriage that has the electrical panel, with electric cables generating high magnetic fields running the length of the carriage, no doubt, and sitting in the waiting area at my optometrist. I have measured the magnetic, electric and RF fields in that location and nothing seems unusually high. I’m assuming I am sitting between two cordless phones/base stations that are communicating with each other.

My theory on the oxalates issue, along with other food sensitivities, is that when we are exposed to stress, such as high EMR, our gut lining opens up and lets the food particles escape and the immune system declares them enemies, and from then on, they become a food sensitivity. So, if we were consuming a lot of dairy at that time, now we are suddenly sensitive to dairy.

There’s an excellent facebook group called ‘Trying low oxalates’ and a sister site of theirs that has a valuable spreadsheet on oxalate values in foods. You need to request permission to join the spreadsheet group.

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Thank you Tanya for sharing all of this priceless info. Didn’t know about the FB group! Your theory sounds like it could hold water, esp as our gut and brain are made of the same material, and EMF opens up the blood brain barrier. Good that you’re taking it slow. Have you measured dirty electricity levels in your house? This is a common offender in most homes (kHz frequencies run along the line, and cause electrical currents to go internal into the body)

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Roman,

Yes, I have measured dirty electricity levels. I believe the majority of the dirty electricity is coming in from outside. I had to reroute the earth wire from running down the middle of an internal wall to run up along the roof line and then along the top of an external wall and down to ground. I am convinced the ground rod was bringing ground currents into my home. I live next to a substation; lucky me! Not to mention the hospital across the road, nor the smart meter collector hub behind my property. I'm in RF central.

I would like to get a whole of house dirty electricity filter but finding one suitable for the country I live in and an electrician willing to install it is probably the bigger part of the problem. One respect in which I am genuinely lucky is that, despite it being very difficult to find willing tradesmen in my city, I do have two electricians I can rely on, one of who believes me about EHS because he has several clients with EHS.

Just this past week I noticed that a new neighbour has a 5G cell phone and the radiation from it is penetrating my house walls, including the shielding. I'm screwed if I can't keep cell phone radiation out of my house. However, my bed canopy is offering protection. I'll just spend all day in bed! ;)

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Your poll needs a comment option.

I am very aware of oxalates. I think that in moderate amounts as part of a clean/balanced diet is fine.

I am curious to learn more about gut bacteria found in hunter gatherers that takes care of oxalates as mentioned in the book SUPERGUT.

Perhaps it is modern or even Agricultural/grain based diets that have led to the lack of microorganisms to properly digest these.

My intuition, for what it is worth, is that the hyper real primarily wild (and possibly the ‘unclean’) diet has many negative effects.

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Hi Bart, thank you for chiming in with this thoughtful comment. I also think things need to be taken in moderation - Sally is actually for not quitting oxalate all together, b/c this can create too fast of a detox and damage our body. I haven't heard of Supergut, so thanks for that. I did learn from Sally's book however that many of us no longer have the gut bacteria oxalobacter formigenes that would normally break down oxalates. Fermentation and cooking is also key. Homemade sauerkraut and sourdough are my friends.

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