Wow. outstanding Interview Roman and Hank! I am going to post this and pass it on.
I am a volunteer working with one of the plaintiffs that RFK Jr. represented in the Rich Farver case, which WON in the US Court of Appeals back in 2021 concerning the dangers of these EMF devices. But the FCC ignored and this ruling with the OTARD (Over The Air Reception Devices) Rule, that basically violated the Court's rule, as they continue to put up and operated these dangerous devices. There is BIG money behind all of this, and we need to keep exposing everything going on in this dangerous surveillance system's deviant agenda.
Thanks for this interview. (BTW my Dad's nick-name was "Hank" Allen) Keep up the good work!
Hi Steve! Thank you very much for your kind words of support. Always good to know that people value these types of talks - I know it was a longer one, but everything we discussed was valuable.
I will also pass your comment along to Hank. That's pretty funny about your Dad- don't mess with a Hank.
Thanks again for taking the time to listen and share.
You are very welcome! We might want to get Hank and Virginia together to talk about these dangers, including smart meters, and exploding cadmium batteries. All of this is hanging on the RFK Jr. appointment and even more!
And ya, "Don't mess with a Hank." My dad was a Marine officer in WW II and trained troops at Pendleton during Korea. He never liked telling me to do something twice. He was tough, but always gentle on me--and a Christian. I was blessed to have him as a father. I really appreciated hearing Hank's testimony too, as that is VITAL in fighting these spiritual and physical battles. Thanks Again.
Knowledge is often felt too - that's where intuition has to come in, which can be tricky. Thanks for sharing this formula Susan! Glad you enjoyed the talk (:
That intuition can be a winner;). IMHO, each person,I must grow as an individual-continually learning. I am not separate from anything, all is in dynamic process. It’s a humbling process to not be the center of the universe- a much needed perspective.
Heck it took hundreds of years for Galileo’s discovery to get any teeth, acceptance.
Very helpful— I was not aware of the various blocking techniques etc and the possibility of modulating the tower to avoid going in certain directions. FYI: at his hearings RFK was asked twice about his views of radiation and he did not back off of them, including that EMF causes cancer.
Thanks for chiming in RSgva! Thanks for the note on RFK! I didn't watch it yet, but good to know.
The only thing I would caution against is with the shielding paint - to consult a professional, do some meter readings - once you paint, you can't paint over if you do it incorrectly - you need to replace the sheetrock/ wall.
Bed canopies can be a fantastic way to shield without the paint as well.
Thanks very much, good to know! Are there any bed canopies that are particularly useful? We are still fighting our cell tower, but anticipation might help…
Thank you Roman and Hank. Hank told a clear, consecutive, horrifying history all with a voice that made me want to hear every detail. Roman, you were an excellent interviewer letting Hank tell his experience with a few apt questions. Great listen. A neighbor clued us in to not getting the EMF electricity meter when it was required by Seattle utilities in 2017. We were told we could keep the old one if we paid $115/monthly since they would have to send out a meter reader. I said fine but it took them so long to install smart meters on every residence that by the time they got to our house I think many people had said no to smart meters and we were never charged extra. Maybe somebody else sued the city. I keep all the paper work with my refusal and the city’s acceptance.
I love that you call it "electromagnetic poisoning" because that is precisely what it is. I was poisoned by it, two of our dogs were poisoned by it. Removing the source of our poisoning enabled us all to detox and heal. Thank you for helping to spread awareness!
Thank you Jeanine! We appreciate your kind words of support. Yes - I think calling it electro-sensitivity is too weak a term - makes others think only a marginal few experience it, like a weird allergy. Curious - when did your episode of poisoning occur?
It began with my first cell phone in 2013; I had to stop putting it to my ear because of constant pain I felt when I did. So, I only used speaker phone for a couple of years, with no pain at all.
Then in 2014 two new transmitting utility meters (natural gas) were installed. The installers said they only transmit once per month, for the meter read, so we agreed to the installation.
Well, within 6 months the pain returned to my "cell phone ear" without provocation (I wasn't putting the cell phone to my ear). So I figured the gas company didn't tell us the whole story about the meters, and began contacting them, to get the whole truth about the new utility meters.
In the meantime, my health took the quickest, deepest dive in my entire life. I went from radiantly healthy to worse condition than my 89 year old grandfather was the day he died. During the same time, the two dogs got sick also.
Turns out the new utility meters pulse RF over 10 times per minute, 24/7/365. So we shielded the meters with lead sheeting (the company has no opt-out and refuses to change them out without totally disconnecting our service).
After we shielded the meters, the dog's symptoms disappeared almost immediately. My recovery has taken much longer, and every few years I add more shielding to my home because ambient RF levels continue to rise around me and I can usually feel when they have. Though we have zero wireless now (no cell phones, no WiFi, no devices). I sleep under an RF blocking canopy, and usually sleep very soundly.
Between 2015 and 2020 I did a lot of local, state, and federal activism around this issue, smart meters and 5G roll-out, all to no avail. I kept a blog going for a few years about my experiences, and have the Michigan for Safe Technology page on Facebook, to help spread awareness also.
Jeanine, thank you for sharing all of that. It goes to show how much we can trust these companies to tell us the truth. Many of the underlings don't even know, or are fed the company line. I'm glad your dogs recovered. What kind of symptoms did they have?
One more question: what kind of bed canopy do you have?
One of the dogs became angry and aggressive and chewed his groin raw and bloody. Wouldn't let us touch him, which was way out of character for him. The other one, every time she fell asleep, she would moan and cry as if she was being attacked. Amazing how their symptoms just disappeared when we blocked the RF.
I purchased the Swiss Naturelle canopy from Safe Living Technologies. I've since purchased more fabric from them to make curtains. I have a Cornet ED88T RF/EMF meter to measure with, also.
If you've ever gotten a dental x-ray, chances are they put a lead apron on your chest to protect your body from the radiation. The same principal applies with wrapping the transmitting gas meters with lead sheeting. With the Cornet RF/EMF meter, I can still pick up the RF pulses when I'm about 2-3 feet away. And the transmission must be strong enough because it's been almost 10 years now, and the gas company hasn't complained, and we get "actual" reads without anyone coming here.
I think the same applies to "smart" electric meter shielding; the faraday cage around the meter still allows the meter read transmission to happen. Otherwise people would be hearing from the electric company about it.
thanks for the response.. I am lucky, in my town we have the opt out. I do not have any smart meter attachments, but my neighbor got the smart meter and her meter is about 25 feet from my bedroom wall. since hers was installed, there are many nights where my family wakes up around 3 and have a hard time getting back to sleep.
Wow, yes, that's common for people to wake-up around 3am because the utility meters send readings around that time, so I'm told. You may want to look into shielding that side of your house, or at least the bedroom wall that faces the smart meter. Though the best thing would be to consult with an EMF specialist or building biologist. They will measure RF/EMFs and give you recommendations. We can actually make a situation worse if we don't really know what we are doing. Being able to measure before and after shielding is done, is important.
Our electric company has an extortion-fee-opt-out program, but not our gas company (they are two different companies).
What a compelling story of suffering, perseverance, and overcoming--with God's help. Kudos to you and your wife for staying together through thick and thin, Hank. I am glad CHD is helping you. Maybe I will look up your realtor services one day if I flee Washington.
PS: I had no idea about the connection between proliferation of mold being triggered by EMF!
The amazing thing to me is that in spite of the awakening caused by the covid debacle and toxic clot shots, most people still believe our government and mainstream media about the safety of wireless devices. Even on alternative platforms like SS, there is barely a peep from most authors about the dangers of RF/emf. And all of the alternative health practitioners i know have almost zero understanding of it.
So sad that so many of us have to jump thru such hoops just to survive the RF onslaught - but then maybe we are the lucky ones, since at least we feel the damage (and have realized what is causing it) and thus get out of the way of it as much as possible. Serious neurological diseases like Parkinsons, MS and dementia are becoming commonplace - also early onset deafness and rapid aging overall. Two of my cellphone-toting female friends in their 50s and 60s have been recently diagnosed with "essential tremor". One also wears a smart watch.
Wow. outstanding Interview Roman and Hank! I am going to post this and pass it on.
I am a volunteer working with one of the plaintiffs that RFK Jr. represented in the Rich Farver case, which WON in the US Court of Appeals back in 2021 concerning the dangers of these EMF devices. But the FCC ignored and this ruling with the OTARD (Over The Air Reception Devices) Rule, that basically violated the Court's rule, as they continue to put up and operated these dangerous devices. There is BIG money behind all of this, and we need to keep exposing everything going on in this dangerous surveillance system's deviant agenda.
Thanks for this interview. (BTW my Dad's nick-name was "Hank" Allen) Keep up the good work!
Hi Steve! Thank you very much for your kind words of support. Always good to know that people value these types of talks - I know it was a longer one, but everything we discussed was valuable.
I will also pass your comment along to Hank. That's pretty funny about your Dad- don't mess with a Hank.
Thanks again for taking the time to listen and share.
You are very welcome! We might want to get Hank and Virginia together to talk about these dangers, including smart meters, and exploding cadmium batteries. All of this is hanging on the RFK Jr. appointment and even more!
And ya, "Don't mess with a Hank." My dad was a Marine officer in WW II and trained troops at Pendleton during Korea. He never liked telling me to do something twice. He was tough, but always gentle on me--and a Christian. I was blessed to have him as a father. I really appreciated hearing Hank's testimony too, as that is VITAL in fighting these spiritual and physical battles. Thanks Again.
Mike Yeadon posted recently - there’s only two ways to ‘know’ something
1. Direct personal experience
2. trusting information from someone or something else.
Nice score on this interview ❤️
Knowledge is often felt too - that's where intuition has to come in, which can be tricky. Thanks for sharing this formula Susan! Glad you enjoyed the talk (:
That intuition can be a winner;). IMHO, each person,I must grow as an individual-continually learning. I am not separate from anything, all is in dynamic process. It’s a humbling process to not be the center of the universe- a much needed perspective.
Heck it took hundreds of years for Galileo’s discovery to get any teeth, acceptance.
Very helpful— I was not aware of the various blocking techniques etc and the possibility of modulating the tower to avoid going in certain directions. FYI: at his hearings RFK was asked twice about his views of radiation and he did not back off of them, including that EMF causes cancer.
Thanks for chiming in RSgva! Thanks for the note on RFK! I didn't watch it yet, but good to know.
The only thing I would caution against is with the shielding paint - to consult a professional, do some meter readings - once you paint, you can't paint over if you do it incorrectly - you need to replace the sheetrock/ wall.
Bed canopies can be a fantastic way to shield without the paint as well.
Thanks very much, good to know! Are there any bed canopies that are particularly useful? We are still fighting our cell tower, but anticipation might help…
Absolutely! This one from Safe Living Technologies is third-party tested, and is used by many: https://safelivingtechnologies.com/products/swiss-shield-bed-canopy-naturell.html?aff=265
Thank you Roman and Hank. Hank told a clear, consecutive, horrifying history all with a voice that made me want to hear every detail. Roman, you were an excellent interviewer letting Hank tell his experience with a few apt questions. Great listen. A neighbor clued us in to not getting the EMF electricity meter when it was required by Seattle utilities in 2017. We were told we could keep the old one if we paid $115/monthly since they would have to send out a meter reader. I said fine but it took them so long to install smart meters on every residence that by the time they got to our house I think many people had said no to smart meters and we were never charged extra. Maybe somebody else sued the city. I keep all the paper work with my refusal and the city’s acceptance.
I love that you call it "electromagnetic poisoning" because that is precisely what it is. I was poisoned by it, two of our dogs were poisoned by it. Removing the source of our poisoning enabled us all to detox and heal. Thank you for helping to spread awareness!
Thank you Jeanine! We appreciate your kind words of support. Yes - I think calling it electro-sensitivity is too weak a term - makes others think only a marginal few experience it, like a weird allergy. Curious - when did your episode of poisoning occur?
Thanks for asking...
It began with my first cell phone in 2013; I had to stop putting it to my ear because of constant pain I felt when I did. So, I only used speaker phone for a couple of years, with no pain at all.
Then in 2014 two new transmitting utility meters (natural gas) were installed. The installers said they only transmit once per month, for the meter read, so we agreed to the installation.
Well, within 6 months the pain returned to my "cell phone ear" without provocation (I wasn't putting the cell phone to my ear). So I figured the gas company didn't tell us the whole story about the meters, and began contacting them, to get the whole truth about the new utility meters.
In the meantime, my health took the quickest, deepest dive in my entire life. I went from radiantly healthy to worse condition than my 89 year old grandfather was the day he died. During the same time, the two dogs got sick also.
Turns out the new utility meters pulse RF over 10 times per minute, 24/7/365. So we shielded the meters with lead sheeting (the company has no opt-out and refuses to change them out without totally disconnecting our service).
After we shielded the meters, the dog's symptoms disappeared almost immediately. My recovery has taken much longer, and every few years I add more shielding to my home because ambient RF levels continue to rise around me and I can usually feel when they have. Though we have zero wireless now (no cell phones, no WiFi, no devices). I sleep under an RF blocking canopy, and usually sleep very soundly.
Between 2015 and 2020 I did a lot of local, state, and federal activism around this issue, smart meters and 5G roll-out, all to no avail. I kept a blog going for a few years about my experiences, and have the Michigan for Safe Technology page on Facebook, to help spread awareness also.
Jeanine, thank you for sharing all of that. It goes to show how much we can trust these companies to tell us the truth. Many of the underlings don't even know, or are fed the company line. I'm glad your dogs recovered. What kind of symptoms did they have?
One more question: what kind of bed canopy do you have?
One of the dogs became angry and aggressive and chewed his groin raw and bloody. Wouldn't let us touch him, which was way out of character for him. The other one, every time she fell asleep, she would moan and cry as if she was being attacked. Amazing how their symptoms just disappeared when we blocked the RF.
I purchased the Swiss Naturelle canopy from Safe Living Technologies. I've since purchased more fabric from them to make curtains. I have a Cornet ED88T RF/EMF meter to measure with, also.
PS ~ For some reason I can not "Like" any of the comments on substack.
how do these lead shields actually work? If the company can still pulse or read the meter, how are they blocking you in your house?
If you've ever gotten a dental x-ray, chances are they put a lead apron on your chest to protect your body from the radiation. The same principal applies with wrapping the transmitting gas meters with lead sheeting. With the Cornet RF/EMF meter, I can still pick up the RF pulses when I'm about 2-3 feet away. And the transmission must be strong enough because it's been almost 10 years now, and the gas company hasn't complained, and we get "actual" reads without anyone coming here.
I think the same applies to "smart" electric meter shielding; the faraday cage around the meter still allows the meter read transmission to happen. Otherwise people would be hearing from the electric company about it.
thanks for the response.. I am lucky, in my town we have the opt out. I do not have any smart meter attachments, but my neighbor got the smart meter and her meter is about 25 feet from my bedroom wall. since hers was installed, there are many nights where my family wakes up around 3 and have a hard time getting back to sleep.
Wow, yes, that's common for people to wake-up around 3am because the utility meters send readings around that time, so I'm told. You may want to look into shielding that side of your house, or at least the bedroom wall that faces the smart meter. Though the best thing would be to consult with an EMF specialist or building biologist. They will measure RF/EMFs and give you recommendations. We can actually make a situation worse if we don't really know what we are doing. Being able to measure before and after shielding is done, is important.
Our electric company has an extortion-fee-opt-out program, but not our gas company (they are two different companies).
I am struck by the recent frequency with which three letters, g, o, and d, are showing up in all sorts of places where they never appeared. Thank you.
What a compelling story of suffering, perseverance, and overcoming--with God's help. Kudos to you and your wife for staying together through thick and thin, Hank. I am glad CHD is helping you. Maybe I will look up your realtor services one day if I flee Washington.
PS: I had no idea about the connection between proliferation of mold being triggered by EMF!
The amazing thing to me is that in spite of the awakening caused by the covid debacle and toxic clot shots, most people still believe our government and mainstream media about the safety of wireless devices. Even on alternative platforms like SS, there is barely a peep from most authors about the dangers of RF/emf. And all of the alternative health practitioners i know have almost zero understanding of it.
So sad that so many of us have to jump thru such hoops just to survive the RF onslaught - but then maybe we are the lucky ones, since at least we feel the damage (and have realized what is causing it) and thus get out of the way of it as much as possible. Serious neurological diseases like Parkinsons, MS and dementia are becoming commonplace - also early onset deafness and rapid aging overall. Two of my cellphone-toting female friends in their 50s and 60s have been recently diagnosed with "essential tremor". One also wears a smart watch.
wow! great interview.